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Below is a link to Cliff speaking with Veteran Trash Talk on their Throat Punch Monday pod cast. It is about an hour long but some geat stuff to help those struggling with thoughts of suicide or for people who want to help those struggling.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_jZhXF6nac&list=PLbzRBX7A6FdAR0VbEHqu16TTlzUh6bNOH&index=11